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Patience is a virtue I haven't got. Backgammon ULTRA fast 21 game match.

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Patience is a virtue I haven't got. Backgammon ULTRA fast 21 game match.	Message #9701 Replies: 2
posted by dornis (RENEEEEE) on 12/17 at 15:34
Picture this! The score is 9 to 6 (his favor); he plays one move a day close to the time he should time out. I think he has a fantastic rating because he has one hundred games going and plays one-move games per day to pysch out his opponents and cause them to either resign or figuratively punch him in the nose. Is there anything to be done about requesting him to realize that this is a fast game and not a con game?

Re: Patience is a virtue I haven't got. Backgammon ULTRA fast 21 game match.	Message #9702 Replies: 1
posted by magic (dot) on 12/17 at 16:38
If he is playing within the time rules, then nothing can be done surely. it will eventually end.don't resign it will always be there and you could win. good luck

Re: Patience is a virtue I haven't got. Backgammon ULTRA fast 21 game match.	Message #9704 Replies: 0
posted by dornis (RENEEEEE) on 12/17 at 20:11
That is exactly what he is doing and it is annoying but I'm too stubborn to let him get the best of me so I guess I will just plug on and hope he has an intestinal upset which keeps him in the bathroom while he times out.magic (dot) wrote: If he is playing within the time rules, then nothing can be done surely. it will eventually end.don't resign it will always be there and you could win. good luck

Re: Patience is a virtue I haven't got. Backgammon ULTRA fast 21 game match.	Message #9707 Replies: 0
posted by dustbunnyrob (Rob Martin) on 12/18 at 09:11
I don't understand this logic. If he signed up for a game with a specific time limit, and plays within that time limit, what is the issue?

Moving at the last minute	Message #10430 Replies: 2
posted by heartsvertigo (Bob Bowman) on 02/08 at 08:34
I too am playing someone who habitually waits until the last minute to play. This person is on PM every day playing, but ignores the game we have. It may be within the "Letter of the law", but certainly not within the "Spirit of the law". Just because a rule allows a player days with "grace time" added in, it is both discourteous and unsportsmanlike to abuse the time control. It's simply a cheap tactic to gain some kind of edge, whether to be annoying by virtue of slowness, or perhaps my opponent hopes that I'll lose track and not check my games in time. In chess there was a term used many years ago, the word was "sitzfleisch", it means the ability to sit for hours. Before chess clocks and time controls were instituted, some players would sit for hours without making a move, hoping to tire out their opponent, succeeding many times. The eventual response were time controls, as technology improved mechanical lever clocks were used, then digital. All I can say in response to this players "strategy" is "May the fleas of a thousand camels nest in your crotch"

Re: Moving at the last minute	Message #10431 Replies: 1
posted by dustbunnyrob (Rob Martin) on 02/08 at 11:39
Are you sure you aren't just ascribing motive where none exists? I'm not saying that it's impossible that someone is signing up for games and then sits at their computer, laughing at the people waiting to play, but it is hard to picture. I know that everytime I sign on, I don't get to play every game on my list. It doesn't mean that I'm purposefully delaying games and hoping people are going silently insane waiting for the turns. I start at the top of the list and play as many as I can in the time I have to play. And I'm sure I'm not alone in that. Games have time limits, if you don't play within the limits you lose the game; if you do, there is no issue. If you are really that worried that you won't have any games to play while your waiting...start some more games. (And off the topic a bit, about the "grace time". I think it's a strange thing to have at all. Games should have a defined time limit (1-day, 7-days, whatever) and be done with it. The "grace time" just confuses the issue and further annoys players who want to play faster games.)

Re: Moving at the last minute	Message #10432 Replies: 1
posted by magic (dot) on 02/08 at 15:08
here here dusty.

Re: Moving at the last minute	Message #10434 Replies: 1
posted by BMI (PDQ) on 02/08 at 15:53
I agree, can we eliminate grace time.

Re: Moving at the last minute	Message #10448 Replies: 1
posted by Play Misty (Sue) on 02/10 at 23:48
why worry about folk who take time to move? if they dont they will time out and if they move at the end of time limits whats the prob? we can have as many games as we like here to keep us busy so just let them play as they will! the game doesnt do any harm just sitting there does it? they play eventually ;o)

Re: Moving at the last minute	Message #10450 Replies: 1
posted by T.J. (T.J. Crowder) on 02/11 at 11:56
(I'm not wearing my PM hat.) why worry about [it]? Here here! Two observations: Firstly, no one knows what's going on at the other end, so cut people a break, they may well not be doing what you think they're doing. But secondly, I'm quite sure there are players who do exactly what people think they're doing. My advice is: Fergeddaboudit. Ignore them. Any advantage they're trying to get by playing close to the timeouts is minimal at best, and it requires them to be constantly concentrating on having an actively poor sporting attitude, a daily (hourly?) regimen of punctilious small-mindedness. It can't be a great way to live one's life, so just consider the living of such a life punishment enough for the offense involved, and don't let it impact *your* life. There are small-minded, petty people everywhere, even here on PM. They're in the minority, so why concentrate on them? My usual sign-off is not just a pleasantry: Enjoy your games! -- T.J. :-)

Re: Moving at the last minute	Message #10452 Replies: 2
posted by BMI (PDQ) on 02/11 at 16:46
Ok. I understand no one knows what's going on at the other end. They could be at work and only able to move once a day, great. What is grace time? Normally this is just before a meal. I have looked on the help page under FAG and I didn't find anything, do we still have it? If so, is it automatically calculated into the time before the next move so everyone can see the time left. Or is this a number the computer calculates based on how fast the last move was done and no one knows how much time is actually left because no one can see it.

Re: Moving at the last minute	Message #10453 Replies: 1
posted by T.J. (T.J. Crowder) on 02/11 at 17:50
Hi, You want the tournaments FAQ rather than the general one (about three items further down on that list), it covers grace time and tournament timeouts in detail. -- T.J. Crowder First Primate Pocket-Monkey.com

Re: Moving at the last minute	Message #10454 Replies: 1
posted by BMI (PDQ) on 02/11 at 19:36
Yes, I have found it. Two questions; 1. Did you help write the rules for "catch 22"? 2. Can we see the amount of grace time that has accumulated for a particular game on the game page?

Re: Moving at the last minute	Message #10455 Replies: 0
posted by T.J. (T.J. Crowder) on 02/11 at 23:15
Hi, Very droll. ;-) No, there's no way to see how much grace time has accumulated. But the "must move by" time shown on the Current Games page takes it into account. -- T.J. Crowder First Primate Pocket-Monkey.com

Re: Moving at the last minute	Message #10456 Replies: 2
posted by jockm (Jock Murphy) on 02/12 at 06:06
I believe the word you are looking for is FAQ

Re: Moving at the last minute	Message #10461 Replies: 0
posted by BMI (PDQ) on 02/12 at 15:44
Yes teacher. eyesight is not as good as it used to be late at night.

Re: Moving at the last minute	Message #13661 Replies: 0
posted by gopats (Robert Tivy) on 09/06 at 00:42
jockm (Jock Murphy) wrote: I believe the word you are looking for is FAQ Who's to say he wasn't looking for a cigarette? - Rob

Re: Moving at the last minute	Message #13659 Replies: 1
posted by gopats (Robert Tivy) on 09/06 at 00:25
Good response, hearts! There seems to be a few denominations in this here religious debate, and the extreme left can't understand the extreme right's perspective, and vice-versa. I'm in the "Sprit of the law" denomination, not the "Letter of the law" one. I'm sure one of the issues is players who play both "heavy thinking" games (i.e., Chess and Mill) and "light thinking" games (i.e., Backgammon). I can stew over a Mill move for hours, but the longest I've spent on a BG move is probably 20.35 seconds, ever! The usual time for a BG move is 2-3 seconds, and I can whip through 20 moves in about 3 minutes. I'm not bragging, I've just been playing a long time. My point in the above paragraph is that, with a little concern for the other player, the slow player could adopt the strategy of making all their BG (and other "light thinking" games) first, and then move on to the "heavy thinkers". I don't mind one move per day, but it does get obnoxious when you notice a player active on the site a lot but making moves only near the time limit. I believe the term in poker is "slow roll", and it is mostly done to get in the head of the opponent, i.e., piss them off! I think there should be a 2nd type of grace time - one involving visiting the site without making a move in a game. Perhaps a countdown of the number of times you visit the site without making a move, maybe limited to one countdown per day, and each match starts with a certain amount of "non-move visit" counts. - Rob

Re: Moving at the last minute	Message #13664 Replies: 0
posted by liffeylady (jackie) on 09/06 at 09:50
I think I am one of those players that is here and does not always get around to making all my moves. I start at the top of my list and keep pressing next until i have to leave. I have had players who invited me to games with 30 day time out complain because i don't make a move on their games everyday. I find the games fun and relaxing. I play when I can. I don't worry about winning or losing. And I'm sure most of us have bigger problems in life than time outs. If you want a player to move everyday... only play ultra fast games. If you think a player is leaving playing to the last minute to make you angry and resign the game.. feel sorry for them. They must have nothing else in their lives. And lastly... We get very few things in life FREE and UNLIMITED... So Enjoy!!

Can we LEAVE IT, please?	Message #13665 Replies: 1
posted by T.J. (T.J. Crowder) on 09/06 at 09:56
Again: Fergeddaboudit

Re: Can we LEAVE IT, please?	Message #13686 Replies: 0
posted by pint of beer (john shields) on 09/08 at 10:55
just to add my 2 pennyworth, i play here a lot and usually logged in most of the day. i also play a lot on other sites i try to keep all my games here and other sites up to date. i suppose some people do not have a great deal of time to play as i do so i look on these games as games that will finish sometime. so i do not worry about slow games. if you only want quick games the ultra touries or friends you play a lot is surely enough for even the hardiest of game players. i regularly sign up to 7 ultra tournies and 7 regular tournies so i get the games i want when i want them, so like or esteemed leader (T.J.) i say fergeddaboutit lifes to short enjoy the games and this fantastic site

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